Carogna

Carogna double sided adhesive tape for tubulars bridges the gap between previously existing tapes and mastic in terms of gluing performance and heat-resistance.

EXCLUSIVE FEATURES:

  • extremely easy to use compared to mastic
  • very reliable adhesion, in any condition
  • once removed, Carogna leaves the rim ready for the next gluing, without additional cleaning
  • works for road and cyclocross
  • also available in very convenient Shop rolls

CHARACTERISTICS:

Why we created it:

We started developing Carogna (pronounced “car-own-ya”) double sided adhesive tubular tape with a clear and ambitious goal: to bridge the gap between previously existing tapes and mastic in terms of gluing performance and heat-resistance, while retaining all the advantages of tapes.

In addition to this, we gave specific additional consideration to cyclocross (read the specific how-to guide here!) and mountain-bike tubulars, where specific features are needed from the gluing standpoint.

Universal performance:

Carogna has been tested and is designed to perform flawlessly on any rim material (aluminum, carbon), with any tubular (seamless, handmade, vulcanized sew-ups…), on and off-road.

Specific adhesive properties on rim and tubular:

the tape has two application-specific sides:

  • Semi-structural and removable on the rim-side: adhesion is guaranteed by industrial-grade acrylic glue, native to the base tape; this means that when removing the tubular (breaking its bond with the rim), the acrylic glue will stay on the tape, not on the rim. Acrylic has a good adhesion on both aluminum and carbon without any specific surface preparation.
  • Permanent on the tubular side: there’s a 1 mm-thick layer of a recently-developed permanent glue for underwater applications. This thick glue film will move and spread when the tubular is first inflated, ensuring optimized contact with any tubular base tape geometry. Humidity is obviously not an issue, and this glue adheres well to any kind of base tape material (nylon, cotton, poly-cotton) or external finishing (raw, brushed, or coated by neoprene).

Wide temperature range in use:

once adhesion is set, the use at low temperatures (down to -40°C) is not a problem. Thermal resistance of all materials used in the manufacture of Carogna was a high priority: Carogna will provide a perfect bonding at 150°C for extended periods (hours), exceeding the heat-resistance of even the best mastics and widely exceeding the heat-resistance of any other tubular tape.

Optimized adhesive surface:

adhesion is very strong and uniform across the whole circumference of the rim for all tubulars and it is also uniform across the tubular base tape. One short-coming of tubular tape to-date has been limited adhesion at the edges of the base tape or in the center of tubulars with a raised center seam. Carogna solves these problems.

Temperature range when mounting :

the ideal thermal range for application of Carogna is between 21°C and 38°C (70 to 100°F), allowing 8 hours to reach 80% of the adhesive strength . Applying the tape below 10°C is not recommended.
We recommend cleaning surfaces (rim and tubular base tape) using iso-propylic alcool or mineral spirits.
See the instruction leaflet for detailed mounting instructions (click here).

Available sizes and rim width:

Carogna is available in:

  • “S” (16,5 mm wide)
  • “SM” (20 mm wide)
  • “M” (25 mm wide) versions, one-wheel (2 m) rolls.

Shop size rolls of 16 m (for 8 wheels) are available.

“S” is recommended for traditional/legacy tubular rims (external width up to 20 mm), “SM” for rims with external width between 21 and 24 mm, while “M” is recommended for rims with a width between 25 and 28 mm.

Why “Carogna”?

In several areas in Italy, “Carogna” (meaning: carrion, corpse in putrefaction) was the old name for tubular mastic, as mastic smells bad and is gooey. Carogna: a historical, funny name for a modern product that serves the same purpose of smelly old mastic. in a clean, fast and odorless way!!


The big question: does it work for cyclocross?

Carogna tape works for cyclocross, we’ve had in general very positive feed-back. Journalists and early adopters like Lennard Zinn of Velonews and Mike Yozell of Bicycling confirm Carogna indeed works for cx.
However, not surprisingly, it turns out that knowing the correct gluing procedure is much more important for cx than for normal road use: similarly to mastic, an average gluing job won’t survive cyclocross applications.
Carogna glue is ‘pressure-activated’, so it bonds very strongly when it’s pushed down against the rim by the tubular pressure (for this reason, for road tubulars, we recommend inflating tubulars to their max pressure and allowing some time before riding: adhesion reaches 80% of its maximum strength after 8 hours, the optimal value of 99% after 24 hours).

Important remarks for cyclocross use of Carogna:

  1. AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM
    we know this is common practice when gluing with mastic, but tapes are different. Sandpaper will create small grooves on the rim, reducing the effective bonding surface for the tape. A smooth rim bed offers the maximum surface of contact for Carogna: we recommend removing eventual residual glue completely with Carogna Remover before applying Carogna tape.
  2. CAROGNA WIDTH MUST BE THE CORRECT ONE FOR YOUR RIM
    if Carogna tape is much wider than your rims (for example Carogna “M”, 25mm, on a 20mm rim) there is tape on the side that isn’t properly glued to the tubular/rim (just because the rim didn’t extend wide enough and the tape couldn’t be “sandwiched” between tubular and rim). That area is a potential entry point from where dirt and mud could get underneath the glued section of Carogna… not immediately, but within your third or fourth weekend of races. It’s better to trim the eventual excess with a cutter, before mounting the tubular (Lennard Zinn shows how in the video below).
  3. DON’T LET YOUR TUBULARS OUT TO FREEZE BEFORE THEY ‘STICK’
    as written in the mounting instructions, the ideal thermal range for application of Carogna is between 21°C and 38°C (70 to 100°F), allowing 8 hours to reach 80% of the adhesive strenght . Applying the tape below 10°C is not recommended. If it’s too cold the glue won’t be able to develop permanent bonds, as it’s supposed to do. Once adhesion is set, the use at low temperatures (down to -40°C) is not a problem.
  4. LOWER INFLATING PRESSURE MIGHT REQUIRE LONGER GLUING TIME
    as most cx tubulars won’t allow a very high maximum pressure, Carogna might require a longer time before optimal adhesion. This depends very much on the finishing/surface of the tubular base tape.
    In most cases, this is not needed, but we’ve been reported cases where cyclocross tubulars were not glued after 8 hours… but were perfectly glued allowing one more day at maximum pressure.
  5. SURFACES MIGHT BE PROPERLY CLEANED/PREPARED
    especially when using tubulars with a raw cotton/unprotected base tape, extra care should be taken to clean the gluing surfaces. We recommend our Eau de Carogna gluing primer for the tubular base tape, to make sure adhesion is not hindered by dust or humidity.

The quality of the adhesion should be checked by completely deflating the tubular and gently pushing it on the side. If the tubular is still not holding, waiting longer will normally address the issue.

Made in Italy.

105 responses to “Carogna

  1. I bought the shop roll version. how long can I store the unused tape? where to store it? how? thanks

    1. Hello Paul, if stored in its re-sealable bag and kept away from heat sources/direct UV, the shop roll of Carogna will keep its properties for 2 years. After that the adhesive strength will slowly decrease.

  2. Hi there, re: Corogna, can I use size SM (21mm-24mm) for a 24.5mm rim width campy Bora wheel? Prefer not to trim if possible. Also, these are new wheels and Campy recommend fine-sanding before gluing. I’m assuming it’s not necessary to sand the rims if using tape? Cheers – Rob

    1. Hi Rob,
      if you’re using your Boras for road purposes, no problem, Carogna SM will be perfect. If, on the other hand, you plan on using those for cyclocross, you should take advantage of the whole adhesive surface: Carogna SM should still be the right one if the width of the gluing channel is around 18-20 mm.
      As for sanding, you are correct: no sanding on carbon rims when using Carogna, just degreasing. Carogna achieves the best adhesion if the gluing surface on the rim side is smooth.

  3. Would it make sense to put one layer of Mastik on the tyre before using carogna? To create a ‘sticky’ tire for a maximum bond and Some kind of isolation? Thanks.

    1. Hello Eric, yes, it’s actually good. On most tubulars that would not be needed, but an even coat of mastic on the tubular base tape creates a good gluing surface for Carogna and might seal the porous cotton tape found on some artisanal tubulars.

      1. And a layer of Mastik on the rim before using Carogna as some people do with the ‘Belgian Method’?

        1. That’s an interesting question, thanks for asking.
          The adhesive performance of Carogna is optimized for a clean, smooth surface on the rim side: no sand-paper, no mastic, just a properly degreased rim. So, no: better avoiding a mastic coat on the rim.

  4. Hello, I messed up my first tape job when I didnt notice the tape had folded over. I removed the tire and the tape to re-do, but there is a decent amount of residue left on the basetape of my challenge cross tubulars. It looks like this will make it really difficult to removed the orange tape. Any ideas? Also, if I decided to switch back to regular mastic 1, would there be issues between the glue and residue left from the tape?

    1. Hello Sean, don’t worry: eventual residue of Carogna glue left on the tubular base tape won’t be a problem to mount again that tubular with a new roll of Carogna tape. The orange liner has a non-stick property that allows you to re-position the tubular then peel the liner.

  5. I have what I think is a completely new question
    I have used your Corogna tape for the past 2 seasons with great success and ease. I recently purchase new Clement tubular tires for this season. The new tires have rubber coating over the base tape. It used to be that their base tape was raw cotton base tape but now has a thin layer of rubber covering it (i assume to protect it from decaying). The texture of the base tape can still be felt and seen but is there anything I should do to this rubber coating so the adhesion is optimal? I am guessing degreasing the service for sure but would you suggest anything else? This is for a cyclocross application as well.

    1. Jon, it’s an interesting question.
      The rubbery layer is in fact very useful, it prevents the cotton from absorbing humidity and it will be a plus in muddy races. After degreasing it, I suggest you treat the tubular base tape with our Eau de Carogna primer. That will ensure a perfect bonding with our Carogna tape, even at cx-low inflating pressures.

    1. If it’s for road riding applications, Carogna SM (20 mm) will be perfect.
      If you plan to glue cyclocross tubulars, in that case it’s better to maximize the adhesive surface and you should use Carogna M (25 mm): mount Carogna M on the rim and (eventually) trim the excess with a razor blade before installing the cx tubular.

  6. Can I use the sized SM Tape for Zipp 404 rim? The effective rim bed width is 19-20mm. It was a lot of hassle trimming sized M Tape for this rim.

  7. Hi, I have a doubt, could mount on a 25mm rim with tubular A. Dugast mtb size 650b and profile 52mm? thank you very much.

    1. Hi, if the tubular rim you have has a diameter compatible with 650b (ETRTO 584 mm), then you can certainly mount a Dugast tubular.
      Just make sure you use Carogna M (25mm) to optimize the contact surface. Gluing tips for MTB tubulars are the same as cyclocross ones…

  8. Hi,

    Is this tape being used or evaluated in the pro peleton? Any feedback from these people? What are the reasons that they do or don’t use it?
    Thanks.

    BR,
    Eric

    1. Hi Eric, we do have some Pro teams buying Carogna tape. Unfortunately the only one we can mention is Bardiani-CSF (a Pro-Continental); the others have sponsoring duties and are supposed to use mastic, so they keep Carogna as an emergency option and won’t give it any visibility.
      The feedback we consistently get from Pro teams is that Carogna simply works as intended: even with handmade tubulars, it provides a very reliable adhesion – on par or superior to mastic – requiring a fraction of the time. For those who are not tied by sponsorship obligations, these are compelling arguments!

      1. Hi Alberto,
        Thanks for the fast reply.
        My main concern is whether or not the Carogna tape keeps the tubular on my carbon wheels during road races with very fast descents on very steep climbs where a lot of braking is needed, and this on a very hot day. It would be great if this is covered by the tape. Any reference you have for using the tape on aggressive mountain races is more than welcome.

        Cheers,
        Eric

        1. Hi Eric,
          thermal resistance of Carogna is state of the art: it will resist hours at 150°C without softening. Also for this specific application, the performance of Carogna is on par (or superior) to the best mastics.

  9. Is it necessary to scrape the latex off the basetape of a Vittoria Corsa CX tubular prior to using Carogna? Does scraping the latex from the basetape provide better adhesion?

    1. Hello Andy, you don’t need to scrape the latex off the basetape of Vittoria tubulars. Just degrease them perfectly using mineral spirits and Carogna will hold perfectly for road riding purposes.
      For cyclocross, however, because of the much lower inflating pressures, it’s better to apply Eau de Carogna primer on the tubular basetape, upon cleaning it: this will enhance adhesion with our Carogna tape.

  10. Hi there,

    I’d like to try the Carogno on carbon rims and use it for cyclocross racing.
    Following your mounting advice for cyclocross … will Carogna still work with a pressure down to 1.3 bar?

    1. Hi Tobias,
      Carogna can glue tubulars as efficiently as mastic.
      If mastic can keep tubulars on your rims at very low pressure, Carogna can as well (following the tips we give above). For cyclocross, using Eau de Carogna on the tubular base tape is a good idea and can certainly help at low pressure.

  11. I am using Carogna Tape on my vintage Legnano Gran Premio road bike. It’s a really good tape. My question is this – I will be doing the Eroica in October, and I was wondering, if I get a puncture, will I have to replace the tape entirely if I need to replace the tubular ? Or will the tape remain on the rim if I remove the tubular ? The reason I’m asking is that it’s a bit of a hassle to carry spare tape along the ride.

    1. Glad you like our Carogna!
      Normally, when you remove the tubular, Carogna will mostly stay glued to the tubular base tape. Even if Carogna stayed on the rim (less likely, but it can happen), you would want to peel it off before mounting the spare tubular. Properly positioning a tubular on sticky Carogna (without the covering liner) is very, very difficult.
      So, I’m afraid the only option is carrying a spare Carogna tape… although one of our Espresso cartridges and Caffélatex ZOT! might allow you to repair the tubular… and make replacing it an extreme resort, if anything else fails.

  12. Hello, can Carogna tape be pre-applied to a tubular tire that is carried as a spare tire?

    1. Hello Richard, unfortunately that’s won’t work.
      The way Carogna is made, it’s supposed to be first glued on the rim, and the liner on the tubular side removed only after the tubular is centered on the rim. There’s no bottom liner on the rim side of Carogna, as the tape is rolled on itself (the rim side adhesive sits on top of the tubular side liner, when Carogna is on its roll).
      Then, assuming you could have the liner on the rim side and glue the tape on the tubular, during storage or transportation of the folded tubular the liner could lift and expose the glue to air, reducing its efficiency when it comes the time to mount it.
      Sorry for the bad news!

  13. I used Carogna tape very happily for two years; I had to remove the tyre because the hub cracked. The tyre is now headed for a Nisi ‘vintage’ rim (w/the little chevrons on its surface), which I gather is not optimal for tape. I removed the tape from the tyre by rolling it with my thumbs, which got most of it off but left some sticky tape and goo on. My question: does the base tape have to be completely clean before applying glue, or can I ‘glue over’ the remaining bits of carogna? (apologies of this has been asked and answered, I didn’t see it above).

    1. Hello Harry, thanks for your question: the topic you bring up hadn’t been covered before!
      The residual stickyness of Carogna on the tubular base tape actually provides a good gluing surface for mastic… so you can “glue over” with mastic and ride that tubular on nice vintage Nisi rims.

  14. How does Carogna compare to glue in terms of rolling resistance? I saw a mention that you had scheduled testing with a Finnish company in 2015. But I can’t find results. I’d be willing to trade some performance for convenience. But I’d like to do it in an informed way.

    Thanks for your help. And making a great product!

    Bill

    1. Thanks for your question, Bill.
      Laboratory test results show that the crr (coefficient of rolling resistance) of gluing tape is higher than mastic. Checking different tapes and mastics, it seems all mastics performs more or less the same, and all tapes are also equivalent among them from that standpoint, with a crr penalty of around 15% for tapes (same tubular, same pressure, same testing conditions).
      The tape absorbs more energy (compared to mastic) as it provides an additional cushioning element to the wheel, similar to inflating at lower pressure. Is this a good or a bad thing? Knowing that I’m directly involved in the thing and cannot be considered ‘super partes’, let me anyway give you my perspective.
      In crr lab tests, the lowest rolling resistance at a given speed for a given tyre/wheel, is normally associated with inflating pressures that are considered very high (often in the 120-150 psi range) by todays’s cycling standards. Lab tests are performed on perfectly smooth steel drums in a close environment, to control all the parameters and provide a repeteable measuring process.
      We know that, in the real world, riding with tyres at such high pressure will reduce the “moving-forward” efficiency of the system bicycle+rider (the bicycle will bounce and transfer any road roughness to the rider, and the rider will spend a lot of energy to tame the bike), so we run a much lower pressure (than the one associated to laboratory minimum crr), because the whole energy spent to move forward will be optimized that way.
      My point is, crr is surely an important aspect, but there’s more to discover about the tape and its ‘cushioning’ side effect.
      After all, we’re just starting to accept that the fastest tyre might very well be much fatter than what we’ve raced so far, and that there’s life (and performance gains) below 100 psi/7 bar… so we’re not in a hurry to provide evidence that Carogna tape is the cure to all (tubular) diseases: what it does – gluing a tubular in a fast, clean and very safe way – is anyway undisputable.

  15. I have an 80s (or maybe early 90s) vintage Mavic rim that I would like to use for cyclocross. Each spoke hole has a small flange at its base. I have removed the old glue from the last glue job, but while the surface metal is clean, the overall rim is not perfectly flat because of those flanges. I have used Carogna for cyclocross on a perfectly carbon rim , and I assume that it is OK to use the tape on these rims, but I wanted to check before going ahead – thanks!

    1. Hi Chris, thanks for your message.
      I know what you mean, as many tubular rims of that era had a similar construction. Carogna *might* be fine… but the adhesive surface is less than optimal, with those ups and downs; besides, there’s a good chance the rim surface has been roughened with sand paper (standard procedure with mastic, especially in the past).
      Honestly, especially as you plan to use them for cyclocross, I think it’s best to keep using mastic on those legacy wheels.

      1. Further to Alberto’s question, I will be building a wheelset with brand new Ambrosio Nemesis tubular rims. They also have the flanges on the rim for each spoke hole. I will be using these strictly on the road – despite the ups and downs, would Carogna still work, given the higher tire pressure (compared to CX)?

        1. Hello Gero,
          yes, on the road there will be no problem with Carogna on eyletted rims. As you correctly mentioned, the higher inflating pressure and “clean” environment (compared to CX) will more than compensate the less-than-optimal gluing surface.

          1. Alberto,
            thank you for your response – this is very good news indeed. I look forward to installing my tires with Carogna – just have to decide on the tires first…
            Gero

  16. Hi

    If I align the tubular tire and found the tread is slightly 1mm to left. is this OK?
    or should I remove the tubular tire and reinstall it? It is already mounted on Carogna tape.

    i will install on a new tape but do I need a new Tubular in this case?

    1. Hello, yes, you can ride with a tubular 1mm to one side, it’s not a big problem.
      In case you want to, if the tubular is mounted with Carogna tape, you can indeed remove it and mount it again without troubles:
      – you will have to use a new roll of Carogna tape;
      – your rim won’t need any cleaning when you remove the old Carogna (peel off the old and just apply the new Carogna);
      – you can re-use the previously mounted tubular: just slowly peel Carogna tape from the tubular and leave traces of Carogna glue where they are, they are compatible with the new tape.

  17. I have 2 sets of used tubulars. This is for CX application
    Tire 1 — previously glued with Cargona and I removed that by pulling lightly with one hand and rolling it off with thumb of my other hand. Cam off in one piece in about 5min. Do I just remount this tubular with fresh Carogna tape? Do i wipe base tape with Isoprop and acetone to remove stickiness or dirt along edge of base tape?
    Tire 2 — Previously glued with Vittoria glue. Cleaned off the lumpy glue and base tape is smooth but the residual glue on the base tape is dry. Can this be glued on using Carogna? Should i wipe base tape with Isoprop or acetone to remove or reactivate the dry glue? Am i best to just keep this set of tires for traditional gluing method only?

    1. Hey Joe,
      thanks for the interesting questions.
      Tire 1 – yes: no need to clean the base tape of the tubular, the residue of Carogna glue can stay on. Just re-glue it with a new Carogna roll and it will be perfect.
      Tire 2 – if the layer of mastic on the tubular base tape is even, just degrease it well with isopropyl alcohol or mineral spirit and you can glue it with Carogna tape.

    1. Hi Dave, lovely rims, Nisi was a respected manufacturer in those years.
      Unfortunately Carogna won’t work well on that surface, specifically intended for mastic. Sorry!

  18. Hello Friends.
    I have been using Effetto products on my mtb for quite somer years now and they are awesome.
    Its time to glue my tubulars and i have one doubt:

    If i use a training set of tires (tubulars) and need to change them for a race, can i re-glue the first training set again?

    From what i read the tape part thats glues on the tire is very strong and should not come out.

    Thanks

    1. Hi Giuliano, thanks for the appreciation for EM products!
      Yes, you can remove tubulars fitted with Carogna tape, then mount them again.
      Carogna tape will normally stay on the tubular when you remove it: just peel away as much as you can before re-using the tubular. If you do it slow enough, the tape will come off in one piece. No need to remove it completely, traces of Carogna glue will be fine as long as you re-glue the tubular with a new Carogna roll.
      As for the rim: you don’t need to remove eventual traces (a very thin layer) of Carogna glue from the rim. Just apply a new roll of Carogna over it.

  19. Well, that was quick and easy. The entire prosess took less time than a single coat of glue. 😀

    But one question. I’ve mounted a pair of previously used tires from which I’ve carefully removed all the lumpy glue, so the base tape is completely ‘raw’. Do you have any thoughts on using Dugast Aquasure or similar products after the tires are mounted? There will be rainy days, and I don’t believe in wet cotton.

    1. Hi Thomas, if the tubulars have a raw cotton base tape and the casing is not sealed (like some Dugast and FMBs), applying Aquasure or a similar product to the casing – after gluing the tubulars to the rim with Carogna – is actually recommended.
      If the tubulars are inflated at high pressure it’s more difficult for the cotton to get soaked in water… but for cyclocross it’s very likely, unless there’s a waterproof coating.

  20. Hi
    When replacing a punctured tub out on the road can the existing Carogna tape be used to fit the spare tyre or is it necessary to carry spare tape?

    Thanks
    Mike

    1. Hi Mike,
      Carogna can only be used once… in case you want to glue the spare tubular, you need a new roll.
      However, if it’s just a matter of easily riding home and the spare tubular had been mounted before (so that traces of Carogna/mastic glue are on its base tape), the spare tubular could be mounted without gluing it, inflated and ridden. This has been common practice among tubular users for years and it’s safe, as long as aggressive riding/braking/cornering is avoided. Being an emergency practice only, the tubular should be then glued for further use.

  21. I used carogna to mount my road tires last year. It worked great and I am very happy with it. I removed them recently to mount another pair. They came off fairly well, but there area areas where there is a very thin shiny residue on the carbon surface. It is sticky – I can scrape it off with a plastic tire iron, but it is very difficult to get off. I was under the impression it would come off completely clean. Should I try to clean this off with acetone or you carogna remover? Should I simply apply the new carogna tape over it?

    Thanks,

    Nate

    1. Hi Nate, thanks for the feedback.
      Depending on the rim surface finish, it’s possible some of the Carogna glue (the one on the rim-side) stays on the rim. There’s no need to remove it if you apply another roll of Carogna: it’s -as you say- very thin and it provides a superb gluing surface.
      Best regards!

  22. Hi, I just bought the Carogna S (16.5mm) tape. Just realized width of my wheels is slightly bigger, approx. 20mm.
    Do you think I can get away with using the 16.5mm tape, leaving just a tiny bit on either side without glue? The part that would actually not have glue is where the edge of wheel bends upward.

  23. hi, campagnolo bora 35 have a rim width of 24.2mm

    I presume SM is the correct width tape?

  24. If I have rims 21mm wide (brake track to brake track) with an internal width approx 16mm. Which size tape would be best suited.

    This is a carbon 50mm deep rim for road use.

    Thanks
    Nick

    1. 21mm width is ok with Carogna “S” (16,5mm) but better with Carogna “SM” (20mm). Cheers!

          1. Previously I used the Magic Mastic glue with Vittoria graphene then I found the bond is not good and weak. I removed the tire and installed it using your tape and I can see that the bond is perfect now with the rim.

            One question for the future, while removing the Tyre I can see the magic mastic glue was still attached to the vittoria tire. It was hard to remove so I had to use the tyre as it is with your tape. It is the front tyre.
            Is there an issue or a problem with that?

            Thank you

            Zaki

          2. Hi Zaki: thanks for the feedback. As long as the layer of glue/mastic on the tubular base tape is even (no bumps), you can glue that tubular with Carogna without problems. In case you have a tubular with an uneven mastic traces, it’s ok to apply mastic where it’s missing. Let dry completely, then you can glue it with Carogna.
            As for checking the adhesion of a tubular glued with Carogna (or mastic): deflate the tubular completely then apply pressure to the side of the tubular with your thumbs. Start with a gentle pressure to get a feel of the adhesive strenght. Check different spots. If it feels one with the rim, you’re good. If not (perhaps after one or more seasons), you might want to re-glue the tubular.

          3. Thanks. If I feel some spots are not attached to the rim properly, can I still use the same tubular with new Carogna tape or I need to start with new Tubular?
            Thanks again and amazing support.

          4. If you have a tubular glued with mastic and upon checking adhesion is not good in some spots you can:
            – remove the tubular and clean the rim using Carogna Remover. If the rim had been treated with sand-paper before applying mastic, you might want to consider continuing with mastic, as adhesion of tubular tapes on sanded/deeply scratched rims is not ideal;
            – check the tubular base tape and make sure the coat of mastic is even (apply mastic if missing, then let dry completely);
            – if the conditions are ok (rim with smooth gluing surface, tubular with even coat of mastic on the base tape) you can certainly glue your used tubular with Carogna tape!

  25. HI,

    I just bought a new pair of carbon tubular wheelset for my road bike . I read in a few online publications and Campy manual, they all said to sand the new rims and clean with acetone to get rid of mould oil, and stuff. However you said ‘AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM’. So which one should I follow?

    BR,
    Alan

    1. If the sandpaper has very small grains (as it’s supposed to be for carbon rims), there’s no problem. We’ve seen rough sandpaper used on aluminum rims (very bad for adhesion of the tape!), and in general we know that a strong degreaser is enough to remove any trace of lubricant: that’s why we generally state ‘AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM’.

  26. How has the tape held up on twisty, hard cornering, crit type scenarios? looks like a fantastic product.

    1. So far, we only got enthusiastic feedback for road applications… it seems Carogna really works!

  27. I want to re-mount a tubular that is currently glued to my rim with Vittoria Mastik 1. Can Carogna tape be used on this tubular?

    1. We normally recommend starting from a clean tubular and rim.
      While cleaning the rim to “brand new” status is easy enough with our Carogna Remover, cleaning the base tape of a tubular is not a good idea (the products used to dissolve the mastic might also damage the adhesion of the base tape on the tubular side!).
      In our experience, gluing with Carogna a tubular previously glued with mastic is fine, as long as the coat of mastic on the tubular base tape is even. I hope it helps, cheers.

  28. In the video, Lennard says to deflate the tire before removing the orange liner (release tape) so that the orange liner doesn’t tear, but the instructions say not to deflate the tire before removing the orange liner. Please clarify, specifically as applies to road tires?

    Is S the proper size to use for Lightweight Ventoux, which is the predecessor to Gipfelstrum ( I can’t measure accurately now because there’s a tire on there now), even if used with a wider tire, such as Continental Competition 25?

    Regarding scenario 4 in the answer to Vern, you wrote “Mount the spare tubular: even without gluing it”. Is it best to never have put any glue on the spare tubular, or is some type of glue, for example, Mastik 1, better than no glue to put on at home before folding the spare tire and carrying it on the bike until it is needed? What about the possibility of carrying a spare tape, applying it and mounting an unglued tire, as you would do in the shop/home (presuming excess can be cut off), inflate, and ride home gently? Would this be o.k. to use without retaping at home, and just inflate to very high pressure once home, and wait for 24 hours before riding hard?

    1. The orange liner is very strong and impossible to break by hand, so technically it’s not needed to deflate the tubular (even a road tubular, inflated to 8 bar/115 psi) before pulling the liner… some people prefer to do it anyway, and that’s no problem.

      Rims are driving Carogna width choice. Searching the internet, it looks like your Ventoux wheels have a rim width around 20mm, I therefore recommend Carogna tape “S”.

      As for my scenario 4: you could indeed properly tape-glue a spare tubular on the road side. To do this, you’d need scissors/a blade (to cut the excess lenght of tape off) and… Carogna tape. Carrying a spare roll of Carogna is certainly possible, it’s not small but neither a spare tubular is. If kept inside its sealed zip-lock bag, Carogna tape will keep its optimal performance for two years, it will then start to slowly degrade (important note: this applies to the un-used roll. Once applied, the adhesion granted by Carogna can last a lot more… similarly to mastic).
      As for fitting a spare tubular without adding any tape: yes, a tubular that has previosly been glued will be more stable (as traces of mastic on its basetape will kind of stick to the rim) and is better than a brand new tubular (with “clean” basetape). Note that also a new tubular can be a decent spare, if inflated to normal riding pressure and ridden carefully (slow speed while cornering, no sudden change of direction or hard braking).

      1. Thanks. So as regards scenario 4, presuming that a new tape is not applied at roadside, would the most secure bond for riding home be achieved by using a spare tubular which has pre-applied Vittoria Mastik One , i.e., Mastik One applied to tubular and dried before folding and carrying as spare? Or would you recommend some other brand/model of glue for this purpose?

        1. I’d say that Mastik One, or Continental, or Schwalbe or any other mastic glue are equivalent for this purpose: the residual stickyness of the tubular base tape (because of traces of old mastic on it) will provide additional safety to the “emergency-mode” ride home.

  29. Hi, I have a set of road 2014 Zipp 404 and I have used the Medium size tape since they are +23mm wide to glue my Continental 22mm Sprinter Gatorskin… There is glued tape all over the brake track !?

    1. Hi Pierre, if there was much Carogna in excess when you applied it on the rim (depending on how you positioned/tensioned it), you should have trimmed it as shown in the video above, before mounting the tubular.
      Anyway, you can still push the excess tape onto the tubular, it will stick to the tubular casing and stay away from your brake track.

      1. Did that and it worked just fine. tks.

        Seal in a Ziplock bag, how long can I store a 16m roll of tape before I actually use it, ie. will it be sticky in 18-24 months or will it dry on the shelf ?

        1. The re-sealed Carogna will last two years… as always, checking the adhesion after installing the tubulars, as you surely do at the beginning of a season when you inspect your tubulars wheels (push the -deflated- tubular on the side to see if it sticks well) is recommended. An empirical test, but it has worked well since the invention of tubulars!

  30. Hello there
    On a set of MAVIC Carbone Ultimate, what will be the correct size to order?

    Thanks

    1. Hi Tony, please measure the rim width: if it’s below 21mm, then go for Carogna “S”.
      Above 21mm, it will be Carogna “M”. If the rim width is below 23mm, you might want to trim the “M” tape after gluing it on the rim, using a cutter… see the video above. Cheers!

    1. It’s ok to use Carogna on a tubular whose base tape has a layer of mastic on. On the tubular side Carogna has a 1mm mass of glue that will actively bond to the tubular, compensating the un-evenness of a ‘raw’ cotton base tape or a ‘mastic’ed’ base tape.

  31. Any chance that a 25mm wide shop roll will be available any time soon? If so, can you give please tell me a US distributor? Thanks!

    1. Hey Markus, yes, Carogna “M” Shop (25mm x 16m) is available. Both QBP and Cantitoeroad.com have it in stock. Cheers!

    1. Hi Matt, measuring the wheel width: if it’s below 21mm you should get Carogna “S”, if it’s above 21mm Carogna “M” will be fine. Cheers!

  32. How would you replace a tire on the road if you get a flat and need to put your spare on? Sealant does not work 100% of the time.

    1. If you’re using a tubular and you get a flat, there’re different scenarios:
      1) you have sealant in your tubulars, this fixes the puncture, you’re good to go. If sealant is not enough, go to number 3)
      2) you don’t have sealant as a preventative inside your tubulars, but you carry an inflate & repair cartridge: you use it and it works, you’re good to go. If the cartridge is not enough, go to number 3)
      3) is your sealant of choice Caffélatex or the cartridge Espresso? If so, you have one more chance to fix a nasty flat: our Caffélatex ZOT! Nano is a catalyst that will instantly polymerize Caffélatex or Espresso as they exit the cut, fixing it. We’re talking about 1 cm for mtb and 5mm for road tires, relevant damages. In most cases that will fix the puncture, and you’ll be good to go. If not, go to number 4)
      4) if you’ve sliced the casing of your tubular and there’s a big gash, you can always replace the tubular with the spare tubular you’re carrying. The strong adhesion of Carogna tape makes removing a tubular not super easy, but it’s possible. Mount the spare tubular: even without gluing it, you can inflate it and ride home gently without problems, as all tubular aficionados know. If you don’t have a spare tubular with you, go to number 5)
      5) time to use that mobile phone and call someone for a ride home!

  33. One more question:
    How long does the tape last? For example, I’ll typically pull a set of cross tires off after two seasons and re-glue them. Would the tape last for three or four seasons of cx use?

    1. Carogna is very durable as it’s not affected by humidity or temperature change (at least in the range of temperatures normally experienced in cycling applications or ‘human life’ in general).
      For cyclocross, seen the ‘dirt environment’ (mud, sand, dust etc.), the golden rule of checking the adhesion once in a while still applies, though. Deflate the tubular, push it on the side and check the adhesion strength. You’re surely very familiar with that: if nothing moves, leave it on. In case of doubt, as you’d do with mastic, re-glue the tubular with a fresh Carogna tape.

  34. Looks pretty easy to use and quicker than Mastik.
    1. Does a rim need to have all existing Mastik from past tires removed prior to application of the tape?
    2. If so, best method to remove it from alu rims with ceramic sidewalls?
    3. What’s the removal and/or cleaning process when it’s time to put on a new tire to replace one that had been adhered with Carogna?
    Thanks!

    1. Yes, Carogna is very easy to use.
      Going to your questions:
      1. Yes, you need to start with a clean rim to apply Carogna, all the old mastic has to be removed.
      2. Good news is, we did our homeworks on this, and we developped a remover to get easily rid of all the old mastic. Check our Carogna Remover
      3. Removing a tubular mounted with Carogna is similar to removing a tubular (very well) glued with mastic. However, Carogna tape is engineered to leave very little glue residue on the rim bed (and eventual residual “stickyness” can be left in place and a new Carogna tape be applied over it).
      You can also peel Carogna off the tubular you removed: the base tape of the tubular will remain very sticky as the glue on that side is permanent. You can re-mount the same tubular using a new Carogna tape, if needed.

    1. On those fine Shimano tubular wheels rim width should be 24mm, so we’d recommend Carogna “M” (25mm)

  35. Hi,
    I’m interested in Carogna tape. Is the size S or M right one for new (2015) Campagnolo Bora wheels? The width of Bora is 24,2 mm so I assume it is M size Carogna but I want to be sure.

    BR
    Pekka

    1. Hi Pekka, correct, Carogna M is the best option for your nice Bora wheels! All the best to you,

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