Carogna

Carogna double sided adhesive tape for tubulars bridges the gap between previously existing tapes and mastic in terms of gluing performance and heat-resistance.

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Vultures and carrions (“carogna” in Italian): seen the proximity, we enjoy associating the claw on the tubular with the strong adhesion of Carogna

EXCLUSIVE FEATURES:

  • extremely easy to use compared to mastic
  • very reliable adhesion, in any condition
  • once removed, Carogna leaves the rim ready for the next gluing, without additional cleaning
  • works for road and cyclocross
  • also available in very convenient Shop rolls

CHARACTERISTICS:

Why we created it:

We started developing Carogna (pronounced “car-own-ya”) double sided adhesive tubular tape with a clear and ambitious goal: to bridge the gap between previously existing tapes and mastic in terms of gluing performance and heat-resistance, while retaining all the advantages of tapes.

In addition to this, we gave specific additional consideration to cyclocross (read the specific how-to guide here!) and mountain-bike tubulars, where specific features are needed from the gluing standpoint.

Universal performance:

Carogna has been tested and is designed to perform flawlessly on any rim material (aluminum, carbon), with any tubular (seamless, handmade, vulcanized sew-ups…), on and off-road.

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Carogna SM (20 mm x 2 m)

Specific adhesive properties on rim and tubular:

the tape has two application-specific sides:

  • Semi-structural and removable on the rim-side: adhesion is guaranteed by industrial-grade acrylic glue, native to the base tape; this means that when removing the tubular (breaking its bond with the rim), the acrylic glue will stay on the tape, not on the rim. Acrylic has a good adhesion on both aluminum and carbon without any specific surface preparation.
  • Permanent on the tubular side: there’s a 1 mm-thick layer of a recently-developed permanent glue for underwater applications. This thick glue film will move and spread when the tubular is first inflated, ensuring optimized contact with any tubular base tape geometry. Humidity is obviously not an issue, and this glue adheres well to any kind of base tape material (nylon, cotton, poly-cotton) or external finishing (raw, brushed, or coated by neoprene).

Wide temperature range in use:

once adhesion is set, the use at low temperatures (down to -40°C) is not a problem. Thermal resistance of all materials used in the manufacture of Carogna was a high priority: Carogna will provide a perfect bonding at 150°C for extended periods (hours), exceeding the heat-resistance of even the best mastics and widely exceeding the heat-resistance of any other tubular tape.

Carogna tape easily adapts to the rim profile
Carogna tape easily adapts to the rim profile

Optimized adhesive surface:

adhesion is very strong and uniform across the whole circumference of the rim for all tubulars and it is also uniform across the tubular base tape. One short-coming of tubular tape to-date has been limited adhesion at the edges of the base tape or in the center of tubulars with a raised center seam. Carogna solves these problems.

Temperature range when mounting :

the ideal thermal range for application of Carogna is between 21°C and 38°C, allowing 8 hours to reach 80% of the adhesive strength . Applying the tape below 10°C is not recommended.
We recommend cleaning surfaces (rim and tubular base tape) using iso-propylic alcool or mineral spirits.
See the instruction leaflet for detailed mounting instructions (click here).

Available sizes and rim width:

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Which Carogna for your rims? It depends on the rim external width…

Carogna is available in:

  • “S” (16,5 mm wide)
  • “SM” (20 mm wide)
  • “M” (25 mm wide) versions, one-wheel (2 m) rolls.

Shop size rolls of 16 m (for 8 wheels) are available.

“S” is recommended for traditional/legacy tubular rims (external width up to 20 mm), “SM” for rims with external width between 21 and 24 mm, while “M” is recommended for rims with a width between 25 and 28 mm.

Why “Carogna”?

In several areas in Italy, “Carogna” (meaning: carrion, corpse in putrefaction) was the old name for tubular mastic, as mastic smells bad and is gooey. Carogna: a historical, funny name for a modern product that serves the same purpose of smelly old mastic. in a clean, fast and odorless way!!


The big question: does it work for cyclocross?

Carogna tape works for cyclocross, we’ve had in general very positive feed-back. Journalists and early adopters like Lennard Zinn of Velonews and Mike Yozell of Bicycling confirm Carogna indeed works for cx.
However, not surprisingly, it turns out that knowing the correct gluing procedure is much more important for cx than for normal road use: similarly to mastic, an average gluing job won’t survive cyclocross applications.
Carogna glue is ‘pressure-activated’, so it bonds very strongly when it’s pushed down against the rim by the tubular pressure (for this reason, for road tubulars, we recommend inflating tubulars to their max pressure and allowing some time before riding: adhesion reaches 80% of its maximum strength after 8 hours, the optimal value of 99% after 24 hours).

Important remarks for cyclocross use of Carogna:

  1. AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM
    we know this is common practice when gluing with mastic, but tapes are different. Sandpaper will create small grooves on the rim, reducing the effective bonding surface for the tape. A smooth rim bed offers the maximum surface of contact for Carogna: we recommend removing eventual residual glue completely with Carogna Remover before applying Carogna tape.
  2. CAROGNA WIDTH MUST BE THE CORRECT ONE FOR YOUR RIM
    if Carogna tape is much wider than your rims (for example Carogna “M”, 25mm, on a 20mm rim) there is tape on the side that isn’t properly glued to the tubular/rim (just because the rim didn’t extend wide enough and the tape couldn’t be “sandwiched” between tubular and rim). That area is a potential entry point from where dirt and mud could get underneath the glued section of Carogna… not immediately, but within your third or fourth weekend of races. It’s better to trim the eventual excess with a cutter, before mounting the tubular (Lennard Zinn shows how in the video below).
  3. DON’T LET YOUR TUBULARS OUT TO FREEZE BEFORE THEY ‘STICK’
    as written in the mounting instructions, the ideal thermal range for application of Carogna is between 21°C and 38°C, allowing 8 hours to reach 80% of the adhesive strenght . Applying the tape below 10°C is not recommended. If it’s too cold the glue won’t be able to develop permanent bonds, as it’s supposed to do. Once adhesion is set, the use at low temperatures (down to -40°C) is not a problem.
  4. LOWER INFLATING PRESSURE MIGHT REQUIRE LONGER GLUING TIME
    as most cx tubulars won’t allow a very high maximum pressure, Carogna might require a longer time before optimal adhesion. This depends very much on the finishing/surface of the tubular base tape.
    In most cases, this is not needed, but we’ve been reported cases where cyclocross tubulars were not glued after 8 hours… but were perfectly glued allowing one more day at maximum pressure.

The quality of the adhesion should be checked by completely deflating the tubular and gently pushing it on the side. If the tubular is still not holding, waiting longer will normally address the issue.

Like all our products, it’s made in Italy.

54 responses to “Carogna

    1. Hi Dave, lovely rims, Nisi was a respected manufacturer in those years.
      Unfortunately Carogna won’t work well on that surface, specifically intended for mastic. Sorry!

  1. Hello Friends.
    I have been using Effetto products on my mtb for quite somer years now and they are awesome.
    Its time to glue my tubulars and i have one doubt:

    If i use a training set of tires (tubulars) and need to change them for a race, can i re-glue the first training set again?

    From what i read the tape part thats glues on the tire is very strong and should not come out.

    Thanks

    1. Hi Giuliano, thanks for the appreciation for EM products!
      Yes, you can remove tubulars fitted with Carogna tape, then mount them again.
      Carogna tape will normally stay on the tubular when you remove it: just peel away as much as you can before re-using the tubular. If you do it slow enough, the tape will come off in one piece. No need to remove it completely, traces of Carogna glue will be fine as long as you re-glue the tubular with a new Carogna roll.
      As for the rim: you don’t need to remove eventual traces (a very thin layer) of Carogna glue from the rim. Just apply a new roll of Carogna over it.

  2. Well, that was quick and easy. The entire prosess took less time than a single coat of glue. 😀

    But one question. I’ve mounted a pair of previously used tires from which I’ve carefully removed all the lumpy glue, so the base tape is completely ‘raw’. Do you have any thoughts on using Dugast Aquasure or similar products after the tires are mounted? There will be rainy days, and I don’t believe in wet cotton.

    1. Hi Thomas, if the tubulars have a raw cotton base tape and the casing is not sealed (like some Dugast and FMBs), applying Aquasure or a similar product to the casing – after gluing the tubulars to the rim with Carogna – is actually recommended.
      If the tubulars are inflated at high pressure it’s more difficult for the cotton to get soaked in water… but for cyclocross it’s very likely, unless there’s a waterproof coating.

  3. Hi
    When replacing a punctured tub out on the road can the existing Carogna tape be used to fit the spare tyre or is it necessary to carry spare tape?

    Thanks
    Mike

    1. Hi Mike,
      Carogna can only be used once… in case you want to glue the spare tubular, you need a new roll.
      However, if it’s just a matter of easily riding home and the spare tubular had been mounted before (so that traces of Carogna/mastic glue are on its base tape), the spare tubular could be mounted without gluing it, inflated and ridden. This has been common practice among tubular users for years and it’s safe, as long as aggressive riding/braking/cornering is avoided. Being an emergency practice only, the tubular should be then glued for further use.

  4. I used carogna to mount my road tires last year. It worked great and I am very happy with it. I removed them recently to mount another pair. They came off fairly well, but there area areas where there is a very thin shiny residue on the carbon surface. It is sticky – I can scrape it off with a plastic tire iron, but it is very difficult to get off. I was under the impression it would come off completely clean. Should I try to clean this off with acetone or you carogna remover? Should I simply apply the new carogna tape over it?

    Thanks,

    Nate

    1. Hi Nate, thanks for the feedback.
      Depending on the rim surface finish, it’s possible some of the Carogna glue (the one on the rim-side) stays on the rim. There’s no need to remove it if you apply another roll of Carogna: it’s -as you say- very thin and it provides a superb gluing surface.
      Best regards!

  5. Hi, I just bought the Carogna S (16.5mm) tape. Just realized width of my wheels is slightly bigger, approx. 20mm.
    Do you think I can get away with using the 16.5mm tape, leaving just a tiny bit on either side without glue? The part that would actually not have glue is where the edge of wheel bends upward.

  6. hi, campagnolo bora 35 have a rim width of 24.2mm

    I presume SM is the correct width tape?

  7. If I have rims 21mm wide (brake track to brake track) with an internal width approx 16mm. Which size tape would be best suited.

    This is a carbon 50mm deep rim for road use.

    Thanks
    Nick

    1. 21mm width is ok with Carogna “S” (16,5mm) but better with Carogna “SM” (20mm). Cheers!

  8. HI,

    I just bought a new pair of carbon tubular wheelset for my road bike . I read in a few online publications and Campy manual, they all said to sand the new rims and clean with acetone to get rid of mould oil, and stuff. However you said ‘AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM’. So which one should I follow?

    BR,
    Alan

    1. If the sandpaper has very small grains (as it’s supposed to be for carbon rims), there’s no problem. We’ve seen rough sandpaper used on aluminum rims (very bad for adhesion of the tape!), and in general we know that a strong degreaser is enough to remove any trace of lubricant: that’s why we generally state ‘AVOID SANDPAPER ON THE RIM’.

  9. How has the tape held up on twisty, hard cornering, crit type scenarios? looks like a fantastic product.

    1. So far, we only got enthusiastic feedback for road applications… it seems Carogna really works!

  10. I want to re-mount a tubular that is currently glued to my rim with Vittoria Mastik 1. Can Carogna tape be used on this tubular?

    1. We normally recommend starting from a clean tubular and rim.
      While cleaning the rim to “brand new” status is easy enough with our Carogna Remover, cleaning the base tape of a tubular is not a good idea (the products used to dissolve the mastic might also damage the adhesion of the base tape on the tubular side!).
      In our experience, gluing with Carogna a tubular previously glued with mastic is fine, as long as the coat of mastic on the tubular base tape is even. I hope it helps, cheers.

  11. In the video, Lennard says to deflate the tire before removing the orange liner (release tape) so that the orange liner doesn’t tear, but the instructions say not to deflate the tire before removing the orange liner. Please clarify, specifically as applies to road tires?

    Is S the proper size to use for Lightweight Ventoux, which is the predecessor to Gipfelstrum ( I can’t measure accurately now because there’s a tire on there now), even if used with a wider tire, such as Continental Competition 25?

    Regarding scenario 4 in the answer to Vern, you wrote “Mount the spare tubular: even without gluing it”. Is it best to never have put any glue on the spare tubular, or is some type of glue, for example, Mastik 1, better than no glue to put on at home before folding the spare tire and carrying it on the bike until it is needed? What about the possibility of carrying a spare tape, applying it and mounting an unglued tire, as you would do in the shop/home (presuming excess can be cut off), inflate, and ride home gently? Would this be o.k. to use without retaping at home, and just inflate to very high pressure once home, and wait for 24 hours before riding hard?

    1. The orange liner is very strong and impossible to break by hand, so technically it’s not needed to deflate the tubular (even a road tubular, inflated to 8 bar/115 psi) before pulling the liner… some people prefer to do it anyway, and that’s no problem.

      Rims are driving Carogna width choice. Searching the internet, it looks like your Ventoux wheels have a rim width around 20mm, I therefore recommend Carogna tape “S”.

      As for my scenario 4: you could indeed properly tape-glue a spare tubular on the road side. To do this, you’d need scissors/a blade (to cut the excess lenght of tape off) and… Carogna tape. Carrying a spare roll of Carogna is certainly possible, it’s not small but neither a spare tubular is. If kept inside its sealed zip-lock bag, Carogna tape will keep its optimal performance for two years, it will then start to slowly degrade (important note: this applies to the un-used roll. Once applied, the adhesion granted by Carogna can last a lot more… similarly to mastic).
      As for fitting a spare tubular without adding any tape: yes, a tubular that has previosly been glued will be more stable (as traces of mastic on its basetape will kind of stick to the rim) and is better than a brand new tubular (with “clean” basetape). Note that also a new tubular can be a decent spare, if inflated to normal riding pressure and ridden carefully (slow speed while cornering, no sudden change of direction or hard braking).

      1. Thanks. So as regards scenario 4, presuming that a new tape is not applied at roadside, would the most secure bond for riding home be achieved by using a spare tubular which has pre-applied Vittoria Mastik One , i.e., Mastik One applied to tubular and dried before folding and carrying as spare? Or would you recommend some other brand/model of glue for this purpose?

        1. I’d say that Mastik One, or Continental, or Schwalbe or any other mastic glue are equivalent for this purpose: the residual stickyness of the tubular base tape (because of traces of old mastic on it) will provide additional safety to the “emergency-mode” ride home.

  12. Hi, I have a set of road 2014 Zipp 404 and I have used the Medium size tape since they are +23mm wide to glue my Continental 22mm Sprinter Gatorskin… There is glued tape all over the brake track !?

    1. Hi Pierre, if there was much Carogna in excess when you applied it on the rim (depending on how you positioned/tensioned it), you should have trimmed it as shown in the video above, before mounting the tubular.
      Anyway, you can still push the excess tape onto the tubular, it will stick to the tubular casing and stay away from your brake track.

      1. Did that and it worked just fine. tks.

        Seal in a Ziplock bag, how long can I store a 16m roll of tape before I actually use it, ie. will it be sticky in 18-24 months or will it dry on the shelf ?

        1. The re-sealed Carogna will last two years… as always, checking the adhesion after installing the tubulars, as you surely do at the beginning of a season when you inspect your tubulars wheels (push the -deflated- tubular on the side to see if it sticks well) is recommended. An empirical test, but it has worked well since the invention of tubulars!

  13. Hello there
    On a set of MAVIC Carbone Ultimate, what will be the correct size to order?

    Thanks

    1. Hi Tony, please measure the rim width: if it’s below 21mm, then go for Carogna “S”.
      Above 21mm, it will be Carogna “M”. If the rim width is below 23mm, you might want to trim the “M” tape after gluing it on the rim, using a cutter… see the video above. Cheers!

    1. It’s ok to use Carogna on a tubular whose base tape has a layer of mastic on. On the tubular side Carogna has a 1mm mass of glue that will actively bond to the tubular, compensating the un-evenness of a ‘raw’ cotton base tape or a ‘mastic’ed’ base tape.

  14. Any chance that a 25mm wide shop roll will be available any time soon? If so, can you give please tell me a US distributor? Thanks!

    1. Hey Markus, yes, Carogna “M” Shop (25mm x 16m) is available. Both QBP and Cantitoeroad.com have it in stock. Cheers!

    1. Hi Matt, measuring the wheel width: if it’s below 21mm you should get Carogna “S”, if it’s above 21mm Carogna “M” will be fine. Cheers!

  15. How would you replace a tire on the road if you get a flat and need to put your spare on? Sealant does not work 100% of the time.

    1. If you’re using a tubular and you get a flat, there’re different scenarios:
      1) you have sealant in your tubulars, this fixes the puncture, you’re good to go. If sealant is not enough, go to number 3)
      2) you don’t have sealant as a preventative inside your tubulars, but you carry an inflate & repair cartridge: you use it and it works, you’re good to go. If the cartridge is not enough, go to number 3)
      3) is your sealant of choice Caffélatex or the cartridge Espresso? If so, you have one more chance to fix a nasty flat: our Caffélatex ZOT! Nano is a catalyst that will instantly polymerize Caffélatex or Espresso as they exit the cut, fixing it. We’re talking about 1 cm for mtb and 5mm for road tires, relevant damages. In most cases that will fix the puncture, and you’ll be good to go. If not, go to number 4)
      4) if you’ve sliced the casing of your tubular and there’s a big gash, you can always replace the tubular with the spare tubular you’re carrying. The strong adhesion of Carogna tape makes removing a tubular not super easy, but it’s possible. Mount the spare tubular: even without gluing it, you can inflate it and ride home gently without problems, as all tubular aficionados know. If you don’t have a spare tubular with you, go to number 5)
      5) time to use that mobile phone and call someone for a ride home!

  16. One more question:
    How long does the tape last? For example, I’ll typically pull a set of cross tires off after two seasons and re-glue them. Would the tape last for three or four seasons of cx use?

    1. Carogna is very durable as it’s not affected by humidity or temperature change (at least in the range of temperatures normally experienced in cycling applications or ‘human life’ in general).
      For cyclocross, seen the ‘dirt environment’ (mud, sand, dust etc.), the golden rule of checking the adhesion once in a while still applies, though. Deflate the tubular, push it on the side and check the adhesion strength. You’re surely very familiar with that: if nothing moves, leave it on. In case of doubt, as you’d do with mastic, re-glue the tubular with a fresh Carogna tape.

  17. Looks pretty easy to use and quicker than Mastik.
    1. Does a rim need to have all existing Mastik from past tires removed prior to application of the tape?
    2. If so, best method to remove it from alu rims with ceramic sidewalls?
    3. What’s the removal and/or cleaning process when it’s time to put on a new tire to replace one that had been adhered with Carogna?
    Thanks!

    1. Yes, Carogna is very easy to use.
      Going to your questions:
      1. Yes, you need to start with a clean rim to apply Carogna, all the old mastic has to be removed.
      2. Good news is, we did our homeworks on this, and we developped a remover to get easily rid of all the old mastic. Check our Carogna Remover
      3. Removing a tubular mounted with Carogna is similar to removing a tubular (very well) glued with mastic. However, Carogna tape is engineered to leave very little glue residue on the rim bed (and eventual residual “stickyness” can be left in place and a new Carogna tape be applied over it).
      You can also peel Carogna off the tubular you removed: the base tape of the tubular will remain very sticky as the glue on that side is permanent. You can re-mount the same tubular using a new Carogna tape, if needed.

    1. On those fine Shimano tubular wheels rim width should be 24mm, so we’d recommend Carogna “M” (25mm)

  18. Hi,
    I’m interested in Carogna tape. Is the size S or M right one for new (2015) Campagnolo Bora wheels? The width of Bora is 24,2 mm so I assume it is M size Carogna but I want to be sure.

    BR
    Pekka

    1. Hi Pekka, correct, Carogna M is the best option for your nice Bora wheels! All the best to you,

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